Olney provides very little data, period, and what data he does provide is presented in a manner which will make the non-skeptical reader believe it supports him. The rate of productive outs is given for only 12 teams this season, the top six and bottom six. The top includes some teams that have surprised thus far, the bottom includes teams that have disappointed. The implication being that making or not making productive outs is the cause of their success or failure.Recall that in Olney's recent article, he defined Productive Outs as when:
The only "Productive Out Percentage" numbers given for past years are the POP numbers for the Florida Marlins and Anaheim Angels last season, both of whom ranked in the top five. The implication is, of course, that making productive outs is the reason these teams won the last two World Series (over teams that currently rank in the bottom five).
Ignored is the fact that Florida's POP during the regular season last year is not particularly relevant to their postseason success, and that Anaheim's POP last season, when they finished 77-85, is not even close to being relevant to their postseason success in 2002.
It's clear that Olney did very little research for his article, and what research he did do was data mining, trying to find stats that supported his claims.
Because the data is compiled by the Elias "You'll Know What We Want You To Know" Sports Bureau, productive out data is impossible to find, making an independent study of regular season productive outs almost impossible. However, for the sake of discovering and spreading truth, rather than dogma, I did an independent study of the past two postseasons using the game logs available at Retrosheet. The study was long and tedious, but I believe the results were worth it.
POP = [productive out (p1+p2+p3)]/[outs in productive out situations]It should be pointed out that the hypothetical batter above would have a .600 OBP in those productive out situations, at which point no respectable analyst alive would give a rat's ass about his Productive Out Percentage. But the difference in the formula is important. It's the anwswer to the question, "When this guy makes an out, how often is it a productive out?" but not, "How often does this guy make a productive out in a situation which a productive out can be made?" Those are two different numbers. Looking at it back in plain English, I can see why the definition would be prefereable to that of RPO, but the latter is the formula I'd assumed was being talked about when I first read the article. That Olney and whoever's editing him at ESPN couldn't even bother to define it correctly still galls me; that I didn't check it more closely for myself galls me only a bit less.
RPO = [productive out (p1+p2+p3)]/[productive out situations (p1+p2+p3)]
If there's a runner on base with no out, that's a productive out situation. If the batter makes an out and the runner doesn't advance, his POP is .000. If he makes an out and the runner advances, his POP is 1.000. If he doesn't make an out, his POP is .---, because he made no outs.
If the batter has ten productive out situations and makes four outs, two of them productive, his POP is .500 [2/4] , his RPO is .200 [2/10].
OBP: .841In the words of Eric Cartman, "Dude, that is f---ing weak."
SLG: .855
OPS: .874
POP: .463
As club broadcasters Jim Kaat and Paul O'Neill noted last weekend, the team's offense is built much differently than in the championship years; in those seasons, the Yankees advanced runners, put runners in motion, bunted occasionally. While they didn't always have an overpowering offense -- the notable exception being the 125-win season of 1998 -- they had an efficient offense that provided the team's typically strong pitching enough runs to win.Over the past two postseasons (one first-round loss, one trip to the World Series) the Yanks had a POP of .310, while the 1998-2000 teams (all of which featured O'Neill and ended in dogpiles on the pitcher's mound) their postseason POP was .268. While at first glance this seems worthy of a smirk at Kaat, O'Neill and Olney's expense, Mahnken himself already reminded us that postseason POPs weren't especially relevant to regular-season POPs; in this case, the trio has been harping on some heretofore unreported high regular-season POPs of the Yankee teams of yesteryear and comparing them to the current Yankee lineup, and we've only got a tiny, now-outdated sample of this year's model to go on. Hey ESPN, when are you going to update that chart now that the Yanks have started winning?
Lots of well deserved criticism here. I agree with it all. However, I can't help but think that you haven't looked at Wilkins' BP study with the same critical eye. I know a number of studies just like Wilkins' have shown that Ks aren't detrimental to run scoring, but it's a flawed analysis. Not to get into it too much here, but you can't look at post-hoc outcomes, you also need to consider the other possibilities of balls in play. While a ball in play may lead to a double play, it may just turn into a regular out, it may fall in for a hit, or it may be booted...First of all, I chose to focus on what the writer refers to as "post-hoc outcomes" rather than a more game-theory oriented approach because my interest in the stat was whether it had any predictive value on a large scale with regards to scoring runs, not on a micro level trying to divine what the batter's intent may have been. I chose Wilkins' study on strikeouts primarily because of its immediate accessibility rather than its air-tightness. I don't have the data facility to replicate the BP study, but they do this kind of stuff routinely and have staked a small empire on their ability to do so accurately. I won't give them a free pass, but given the scrutiny which the group's work receives internally, I have less reason to doubt that they've erred on the level of Olney's incorrect definition.
If you're going to be so critical of articles by people who oppose sabermetrics, at least treat sabermetric articles with the same critical perspective.
Chance of scoring, from each base/out stateSo the runner who moves from first to second with the first out has a slightly higher chance of scoring (41% as opposed to 38%), even while the total run expectancy for the inning drops from .953 runs to .725. The runner moving from second to third on the first out has increased his chance of scoring to 68% from 61% even while the total run expectancy for the inning goes from 1.189 to 0.983. Note that moving a runner from second to third with the second out drastically decreases his chance of scoring, from 41% to 29%. Still, as there are times when a one-run strategy may be preferable -- to tie or win a game in the bottom of the ninth, or perhaps to get an early run on the board against a stingy pitcher -- advancing the runner with the first out will increase his chances of scoring. One run you want, one run you may get.
0 outs 1 out 2 outs
1B .38 .25 .12
2B .61 .41 .21
3B .86 .68 .29
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