Jay Jaffe: While I don't consider myself much of a Roger Clemens fan -- I've screamed myself hoarse at him on more than one occasion -- I do feel compelled to defend him against your charges of him coming up short in big games.I'm still not sure I agree with Kaufman's on the first part, but in retrospect I think that we both make the mistake of trying to get inside the Rocket's head, total conjecture rather than sound analysis from either of us. Keeping in mind the second part, here's the meat of what he sent me via email this weekend:
First of all, Bud's Game 7 gambit to the contrary, Tuesday's exhibition does not count as a big game despite the eyeballs and the fact that ex-presidents and heavyweight champions were on hand. I don't take it seriously, you don't take it seriously, and most importantly, the players don't take it seriously. It's a great opportunity to market the game, a moneymaker for the network and its sponsors, and an exhibit for fans, nothing more. Throw it out the window as far as the Rocket was concerned.
Second, while Clemens had a reputation for big-game disaster in Boston, he did a considerable job of shedding that tag in New York: 7-4 with a 3.21 ERA in his pinstriped postseasons, including 3-0, 1.50 ERA in five World Series starts. Yes, there are a few meltdowns in there, but there are also some stellar performances.
Note: Jaffe is the author of the excellent Futility Infielder site.
King replies: The All-Star Game is an exhibition not to be taken seriously, but that doesn't mean Clemens didn't consider it a big game, in the sense of wanting very badly to do well. It was his night, his coronation. Anyone would want very badly to do well on a night when he's the center of attention. It's a challenge similar to any other big game, even though it doesn't count in the standings. It was an occasion to be risen to, and Clemens didn't rise.
And while I stand by my assessment of Clemens as underperforming in the postseason and in big games generally given his greatness overall, you're right that he has, indeed, had some great performances in the postseason.
Certainly it's selective memory for me to talk about his meltdowns and punkouts without talking about his successes, but the reverse is selective too. Put it all together and you have 26 starts. That's damn near a season's worth. Fair enough we can't expect Clemens to put up Gibson's numbers, mostly because he had so many more opportunities. But Clemens is arguably the greatest pitcher of all time. How about Koufax numbers? Seaver? Hubbell? These are the people around him in the NBJHA [New Bill James Historical Abstract, an awkward acronym but one worth remembering] rankings, and James wrote that Clemens maybe should be higher.Good points on both counts, though I'll Clemens' overall postseason record (8-6, 3.47 ERA) is nothing to be ashamed of, particularly when one considers what he did with the Yanks (7-4 with a 3.21 ERA) and his overall World Series line (3-0, 1.90 ERA in 47.1 innings), not to mention that all of this took place in a much higher scoring era than, say, Gibson.
I don't think it's unfair to say that Clemens has been less than Clemens-like in the postseason, beyond just the stiffer competition. And there's enough data there that it's not an unfair way to assess him, as it is with most people, including Willie Mays, who played 25 postseason games, or Barry Bonds, who had played 27 before he started playing well.
Pitcher PSIP PSERA PSERA+ RSERA+Seventh out of ten, not a stellar showing, and a tie with Maddux for the biggest shortfall (postseason ERA+ minus regular season ERA+) among these pitchers. Still, his performance isn't all that different from that of Whitey Ford, who's in fourth place. But with this data on the table, it's tough to refute Kaufman's assessment ("...less than Clemens-like in the postseason, beyond just the stiffer competition. And there's enough data there that it's not an unfair way to assess him..."). I still hold that Yankee fans have nothing to bitch about regarding Clemens' postseason performance, but insofar as the overall argument goes, it looks as though I must bow to the King on this one.
Orel Hershiser 132.0 2.59 158 112
John Smoltz 194.7 2.77 149 124
Jim Palmer 124.3 2.61 139 125
Whitey Ford 146.0 2.71 136 132
Dave Stewart 133.0 2.84 135 100
Greg Maddux 190.0 3.22 132 143
Roger Clemens 155.7 3.47 129 140
Tom Glavine 194.0 3.71 121 121
Andy Pettitte 186.7 4.05 115 117
Catfish Hunter 132.3 3.26 103 104
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